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WIA REMINDER, Renewing Amateur Radio Licences. -


Claims and a counter claim is being made about putting North Korea on the amateur
bands with government approval. -


WIA to visit the Westlake's Club

What the WIA does for Amateur Radio and is seeking through advocacy is to
feature in a special night at the Westlake's Amateur Radio Club in Teralba
New South Wales.

WIA President Phil Wait VK2ASD will lead the presentation and then answer

The idea of a WIA talk on Saturday January the 30th came as an invitation from
the Westlake's Club.

WIA members and current non-WIA members are most welcome.

Do-It-Your meeting of radio amateurs in VK3

The next meeting of the Homebrew Construction Group will be on February the 6th,
the first Saturday of the month.

Peter Cossins VK3BFG will talk on the topic 'How to get into ATV and what's new'
. With many years' experience in the field, this presentation should prove
interesting to both the ATV practitioner and newcomer alike.

The latest newsletter compiled by Ian VK3LA, will be e-mailed to subscribers in
the week before the meeting.

It is on Saturday, February the 6th, at 2pm, Amateur Radio Victoria rooms
40g Victory Boulevard, Ashburton - all are most welcome.

(Jim Linton VK3PC)

Training including an upgrade course in Melbourne

To gain a Foundation Licence, and for those already with that qualification there
will be an intensive bridging course.

Enrolments are now open for the Foundation Licence training and assessments held
on the weekend of February 13-14, at the Amateur Radio Victoria office 40G
Victory Boulevard, Ashburton.

Prospective Foundation Licence candidates are to read the the operational
practice guide book.

The Standard Licence Bridging Course, for those who already have the Foundation
Licence, is held on six Wednesday evenings starting February the 3rd, and ends
with revision and assessments on the weekend of March 12 and 13.

Attendance on all days is expected for this training that bridges the knowledge
gap between the Foundation Licence and the Standard Licence.

To enrol in either, please contact Barry Robinson VK3PV

The address is or 0428 516 001.

(Jim Linton VK3PC)

Cardwell Gathering will be taking place from Friday afternoon September 30
to Monday morning October 3 at Cardwell Beachcomber Motel and Tourist Park.

This is a call to all Hams and support crews and anyone interested in taking up
the hobby of Amateur Radio to spend a long weekend in paradise meeting up with
friends old and new.

Find out more about the facilities and accommodation options by surfing to

The TARC Tarps and Communications Van and Mop's Big Dome will be set up on
Site 80.

The Townsville region hams hope to see you at Cardwell beside the Sea.

IARU Region 3 Newsletter issued

A tribute to retired International Amateur Radio Region 3 Director Peter Lake
ZL2AZ, who held that role for 10-years, has been paid by its Chairman,
Gopal Madhavan VU2GMN. The efforts by Peter Lake ZL2AZ that included personal
representation at the Asia Pacific Telecommunity and alongside the Royal Amateur
Radio Society of Thailand.

Jason later as he checks the International Ham Scene will bring us up to date
with Army V Amateurs in Thailand.

Peter retired as a Director at the IARU Region 3 Triennial Conference in Bali
late last year. The Newsletter also reports on that conference which had 37
papers, and set the budget for the next three years.

A link to it is on the WIA website.


President Phil Wait VK2ASD

Renewing Amateur Radio Licences - A Reminder

It can happen to anybody - you forget to renew your licence and it lapses.

When you ask the ACMA, they tell you that a WIA callsign recommendation is
needed after which you make a new licence application.

Although the ACMA sends licence renewal notices, that's not an obligation under
the Radiocommunications Act. The ACMA sends the notice as a courtesy, but if
the renewal notice doesn't arrive for some reason, it's still your
responsibility to renew on time.

In fact, it's always the licensee's responsibility to ensure that a licence is
current. So check: do you know your licence expiry date, and are your address
details correct?

What about your callsign?

Well, your callsign needs to be protected too if you're attached to it.
Your callsign indicates that you hold a valid licence, but if your licence
lapses and is not renewed, your callsign is released and will be put on the
WIA Public List 60 days after the lapse date.

After 7 days the WIA will issue a Callsign Recommendation to whoever wants it
with ballot provisions applying to 2-letter callsign in some states. So the
message is: if you don't want to fight to get your call back, keep your licence

Full information of the process and forms needed can be read at
'All about Callsigns' and 'New licence or expired licence, or reclaiming a
former callsign' - on the WIA website at


What use is an F-call?

You purchased a shiny new radio and it's all you imagined and it works great
and you're over the moon with your purchase and you're raring to go, but you
find yourself constantly typing in the frequencies, or twiddling the VFO to
change repeaters.

As a last ditch attempt, you've got out the manual and you're busily typing
in each repeater, one at a time, and then when you've finally done it, you hit
the wrong button and you have start again. Only 22 repeaters more to go.

Does this sound familiar?

If it doesn't then we should talk. You really should be programming in all your
local repeaters, and better still, all the national ones as well. I know that
some radios don't have enough channels for all of that, but I must confess that
this limitation is becoming less and less.

So, if you should do all that and you really don't want to manually do all of
that work, how do you actually get all the frequencies into your gear without
going insane?

You could clone a radio from a friend. They'll need to have the same radio as
you do and the radio will need to support a clone mode, but in essence, you make
a copy of the settings of their radio into yours. This does require a cable, a
friend and two of the same radio, and it requires that they have programmed their

That's a lot of requirements.

Friends are hard to come by at times, and lazy ones are often close at hand, so
likely you'll be the one supplying your frequency list to them, rather than the
other way around.

Instead of all that, I'd like to point you at a piece of brilliant open source
software that runs on Linux, OS X and Windows and has a pretty good chance of
being able to program your radio. It's called CHIRP. The list of radios is
extensive and increases regularly.

You'll still need a programming cable, which will start a whole discussion about
which one. It will also head you down the slippery dip of cheap knock-off cables
with fraudulent driver chips, so beware when you start hunting for the cable for
your radio.

Get cracking, no excuse to have your radio sit on one repeater for the rest of
its life.

I'm Onno VK6FLAB

Silent Keys are best sent to AR Magazine and your local state or club news
rather than this WIA National News Service.

INTERNATIONAL NEWS With thanks to IARU, RSGB, SARL, Southgate AR Club, ARRL,
Amateur Radio Newsline, NZART and the WW sources of the WIA.

LED bulbs: Electromagnetic Interference tests

The Swedish national amateur radio society SSA reports that December 2015,
measurements were taken of the RF interference generated by 11 different
types of LED lamps

Only one, 38-23717, exceeded the EN 55015 limit.

This has been reported to the Safety Board.

New EMC measurements on LEDs - in Google English

The 2016 AMSAT Space Symposium will be held aboard a commercial
cruise ship departing from the port of Galveston, Texas.

Sail dates are November 10-14 aboard the Carnival Liberty.

Galveston is conveniently located near Houston, Texas with access from both the
George Bush Intercontinental Airport and the Houston Hobby Airport.

This cruise will embark on Thursday afternoon and return on the following Monday
morning with two full days at sea and one day in port at Cozumel, Mexico.
Symposium presentations and meetings will be conducted during the days at sea to
allow free time during the stop in Mexico.

The ARISS-US Team is thrilled to announce that it received a $5,000 grant from
the Yasme Foundation, awarded to support the development of the power converters
needed as a part of an extensive upgrade to the entire ARISS radio system on-board
the International Space Station.

Ward Silver, N0AX, President of the Yasme Foundation said the Yasme Board
decided to support ARISS, in part, as a catalyst for individuals and other groups
to follow suit by donating to the radio system cause.

UK Astronaut Tim Peake, KG 5 BVI, Notes Death of Space Oddity's "Major Tom."

In his Twitter feed, UK/ESA Astronaut and ISS crew member Tim Peake, KG5BVI, has
noted the passing of rock legend David Bowie, whose 1969 hit single
"Space Oddity" was covered in space by Canadian Astronaut Chris Hadfield,

Chris Hadfield also remarked on Bowie's death on January 10.

In the sombre "Space Oddity," Bowie assumes the character of astronaut
"Major Tom" in the song's narrative. The song tells the tale of Major Tom the
astronaut, who becomes stranded in space.

During his 2012/2013 duty tour on the ISS Hadfield's rendition of "Space Oddity,"
performed as he floated in microgravity on board the ISS and uploaded to
YouTube, became a hit in its own right.

In addition to being the first hit-maker in space, Hadfield also was the first
Canadian to become ISS commander.

After the news of Bowie's passing, Hadfield joined Peake and the European Space
Agency (ESA) in paying tribute to Bowie on Twitter.

"Rest in peace, Starman," Hadfield tweeted.

"The stars look very different today," the ESA remarked in re-tweeting Peake's
message, which was accompanied by lyrics from "Space Oddity."

Later in this bulletin, during Special Interest Group news with Bryan, VK3GR,
more on Tim Peake.

Also, still to come, and not stealing Felix, VK4FUQs thunder, there are some
strange call signs abounding the ether!

Usually it's all in how we pronounce them!

Take KC 0 W for instance.


Kay Cow.

Tom Callas, KC0W, has announced the all-CW "Cows Over the World" DXpeditions
for 2016. All call sign suffixes will contain "COW."

The schedule includes American Samoa, Samoa, Tokelau, Solomon Islands,
Temotu Province, and Bangladesh. He may add Nepal and Bhutan.

There will be no time frame for operation from each entity.

"The determining factor will be when the pileups die down it's time for the
COWs to move on.. or should that be MOO've on?

Callas said he's spent months researching the absolute best DXing locations
for each island and for Bangladesh (he's secured all but Tokelau).
"This will be the only DXpedition that I'm aware of in which the operator will
operate from separate sides of the islands," he said.

The Minnesota DXer pointed out that the west and east coasts of South Pacific
islands are separated by mountains, and we all know how much mountains attenuate
HF signals.


Who and Where are our broadcast stations?


This is WIA Director Roger Harrison VK2ZRH with a call for final logs for the
Summer VHF-UHF Field Day, held over the 9th and 10th of January.

Judging from the chatter across the internet, many operators had a busy time of
it, while some others experienced quiet conditions.

Whatever it was for you, now is the time to submit your logs, folks.


The day before Australia Day.

May I suggest you do it before you start planning your BBQ menu and shopping for
your lamb chops or silken tofu.

Get those logs in, people! You never know what might happen.

Gee, way back when, with a newly-minted licence, I entered the John Moyle
Memorial National FD - VHF-only, six metres and two metres, and I won the VK3

It was the first time it had ever been done. I still have the certificate
signed by Max Hull (yes, that Hull family) and Keith Roget (who now has a
competition named after him).

A totally unexpected result. It was my first field day and I just entered for
the fun of it.

So - if you participated in the Summer VHF-UHF Field Day and handed out a few
serial numbers - it does not matter if you had just one contact - four contacts
- ten contacts, or a hundred - write up a log and submit it.

If you made a small number of contacts, you can prepare a log with nothing more
than a text editor.

It's not hard these days. Guidance is on the WIA website, on the VHF UHF Field
Days page under Contests.

You can submit an electronic log using the log upload facility on that page.

Logs uploaded after 2400 Eastern Daylight Saving Time will not be accepted.

For those few remaining souls who feel compelled to send a paper log - you need
to do it this week!

However, if you missed the post, you can still fax your paper log to
03 9729 7325, ensuring that you send it before 2400 EDST on Monday, 25th January.

So - one contact, ten contacts or one hundred - SUBMIT THAT LOG!

Get cracking!

This is WIA Director Roger Harrison VK2ZRH for VK1WIA News.


Jan Fri 1st to Sun 31st WIA Ross Hull Memorial VHF-UHF Contest

Jan Sat 9th and Sun 10th WIA VHF/UHF Summer Field Day

"All aboard" the Sydney Ferries. VHF/UHF 'contest' Sunday March 13.

WIA John Moyle Field Day 19-20 March 2016

Harry Angel 80 mtr sprint (WIA) provisional date Saturday 7th May.


Remembrance or RD Contest August 13-14

36th ALARA Contest is on the last full weekend in August, Aug 27-28.



Best Fist Nominations Due

Ray Soifer, W2RS, would like to thank to all who participated in AMSAT's Straight
Key Night on OSCAR 2016. If you haven't already done so, please take a moment
to nominate someone you worked for Best Fist.

Your nominee need not have had the best fist of those you heard, only of those
you worked.

Send your nomination to


This year, the VK5 National and Conservation Parks Award celebrates its 4th
birthday. And this year in April the annual Activation weekend will take place
again to celebrate the 4th anniversary. The special activation weekend for the
VK5 Parks Award will be held on Saturday the 2nd and Sunday the 3rd April.

This is a very popular event. Last year a total of 41 amateurs took part and
there were a total of 111 South Australian park activations. Of those, 81 were
unique parks.

And later in the year, in November, the annual VKFF Activation Weekend for the
World Wide Flora and Fauna (WWFF) program will be held. The dates for that
weekend are Saturday the 26th and Sunday the 27th November 2016.

Last years inaugural VKFF Activation weekend saw 51 amateurs venture out to
activate 77 unique parks all across Australia. There were over 3,200 QSOs
made over the 2 day period.

So, please think about participating again this year in both events, either as
an activator or a hunter.

If you do intend to activate a park for either of these events, please drop a
quick email to

A spreadsheet will be maintained for both of these events.

Again, the dates for the VK5 Parks Anniversary Weekend are Saturday the
2nd April and Sunday the 3rd April 2016. And the dates for the VKFF
Activation Weekend are Saturday the 26th and Sunday the 27th November 2016.

For more information on the VK5 National and Conservation Parks Award please
check out the website on

And for more information on the World Wide Flora and Fauna program, please have
a look on

Thanks for listening, and best 73,

Paul VK5PAS.

Continuing Awards, Go Green for St Patrick's Day Award

We are not sure who is running this award, the email requesting some publicity
did come from an RSGB email address so probably that Society.

Whoever they are they told WIA news that "we are encouraging amateurs worldwide
to get on air and go green for St Patrick's Day on the 17th March with the
annual St Patrick's Day Award."

"The sole aim of this one day award is to enjoy the festivities and connect with
other stations across the world."

This is the third year that "we" have run the award which is open to everyone
in the amateur community.

Register a station for the day, go to


How's THIS for a callsign:- A ten character callsign!


Look for Polish special event station 3 Z 6 DOBRZEN through until January 31.

The station is operated by the members of the Short Wave Radio Club, SP6PAZ.

They are celebrating the fifth anniversary of short wave radio activities as
part of the Dobrzen Wielki District Cultural Centre.

Find the station on HF and VHF bands using CW, SSB and Digital modes.

Send QSLs via SP6PAZ ONLY.

Bureau or direct.

And speaking of special callsigns, AX prefix on Australia's national day

The Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA) automatically allows
all radio amateurs in VK to substitute their normal VK callsign prefix with the
letters AX, every Australia Day.

Our national day this year falls on Tuesday January 26.

The AX prefix is popular among prefix hunters and others.

The use of a special QSL card is encouraged by the Wireless Institute of


And what is arguably one of the most confusing callsigns I've stumbled across will
be operating in May from Dog Island.

The call?

K FIVE TEN (pronounced Kay Five Ten)

or in our 'lingo'

K, figure 5, letters T. E. N.

Dog Island is IOTA reference NA-085 and Bruce, K5TEN, will once again be active
from Dog between May 14-21st.

Activity will be on 80-6 meters using CW, SSB and possibly RTTY, PSK31 and JT65A.

QSL via his home callsign, direct or by the Bureau.

V 31 YN from Belize to 21st February. CW and RTTY on 160-10 metres, with
participation in the CQ WW 160 Meter CQ WPX RTTY and ARRL DX CW contests.
You may QSL via bureau.


Would you consider remote operation if your club was able to provide the kit?

In a short article by John Gould G3WKL, President of the Radio Society of Great
Britain in the latest issue of their Radcom magazine points out that UK Hams
have the same issues that we have. Increasing noise levels and problems with
shires and councils objecting to antennas being erected.

He also confirms the widely held view that attracting and retaining people in
the hobby is a problem not just because of regulation but also the costs of
erecting a really good antenna system, even if it is home brewed.

The RSGB's solution is innovative, instead of ignoring the internet, they are
embracing it to encourage the " remote revolution", No this isn't removing the
RF side of the hobby as detractors of Echolink and the like wish to complain,
this is just to use the net to gain access to antennas.

Well, what's new about this, many of us are doing remote control, where the RSGB
is revolutionary is that it is using its breadth of expertise to liaise with the
regulator, Ofcom, their equivalent of the ACMA and more so, asking clubs to
apply for funds from their Legacy charitable support fund to develop remote
stations for their members.

This is Andrew VK6AS

Following up here, Andrew has said this would be a great approach from our WIA,
but would need significant changes for it to occur.

Hopefully he can set out for the WIA his thoughts on how it may be achieved, but,
back to the UK and a follow-up to use of internet from the RSGB says the
Amateur Radio Observation Service, in conjunction with the Emerging Technology
Co-ordination Committee, has noted a number of examples of UK amateurs operating
internet linked nodes that are carrying third party traffic.

They would like to draw attention to the requirement for an NoV to the amateur's
licence under these circumstances. Guidance for the use of personal hotspots,
cross band repeaters or other similar installations can be found in Section 10
of the UK Amateur Licence.


The BBC report Sandringham School in St Albans has made history by making the
first amateur radio call from the UK to a British astronaut on the space station

Year 10 pupil Jessica Leigh M 6 LPJ, who has recently passed her amateur radio
exam, led the contact.

(audio from 2 meters)

Jessica called it an "amazing experience" to be talking to someone 400 km above
them, but said the significance of the day's event had yet to sink in:
"When I get home, I'll be completely in shock."

Her head teacher, Alan Gray G4DJX, said it had been an extraordinary opportunity
for the school.

Still aboard the ISS look out for SSTV activity this weekend

The ARISS Russia Team is planning to support a couple of Slow Scan Television
events in the next few months on 145.800 MHz FM

The first session is being targeted for Saturday, January 16 to celebrate
15 years of ARISS school contacts with the ISS crew.

The SSTV mode will be PD120 which should allow for the opportunity to receive
more images in a single pass than the mode used previously.

The SSTV transmissions will be made from the amateur radio station located in
the Russian Service Module of the ISS using the callsign RS 0 ISS. The equipment
is running about 25 watts output which provides a very strong signal enabling
reception on simple equipment.

Check the ARISS SSTV blog for updates and additional information
as it becomes available


Emergency Centre of Activity (CoA) frequencies
3.600, 7.110, 14.300, 18.160 and 21.360 MHz

Festival provides Hams an emcomm exercise

The West Bengal Radio Club in India is providing logical help during a religious
festival on Sagar Island, mainly for lost children, as part of their emergency
communications training.

On the Bay of Bengal continental shelf, the island is a famous place for Hindu
pilgrims, attracting hundreds of thousands from all over India each January and
it includes a holy river dip, and prayer offerings at a temple. It marks the
beginning of the northward movement of the Sun.

West Bengal Radio Club, having been involved for years, used callsign 8 T 5 GSM


Radio Display in Cardwell has Counter-Disaster theme

The Tablelands Radio Group will be putting on a display of radio equipment at
the Cardwell Bush Telegraph Heritage Centre on Saturday 13th February from 9am
until around Midday.

The theme is Radio in Natural Disasters esp. Severe Cyclones like Larry, Yasi,
Althea, Winifred and Tracey.

The display, originally devised by the Bush Telegraph committee and assisted by
the TRG, aims to raise awareness of the vital role Radio plays in helping and
informing communities during dire times.

Regional radio media are expected to also participate in the event.

Once the event wraps up TRG volunteers will be meeting up at Annie's Kitchen for
a late lunch - so if you are in Cardwell on the 13th February make sure to drop
in and see the display and meet the TRG and Heritage Centre volunteers !



VK1 SOTA Social Event

VK1 SOTA celebrates the 3rd anniversary of SOTA (1 February 2016) Sunday 31st
January with a BBQ at Mt Stromlo (VK1/AC-043). The BBQ is being organised by
Andrew VK1AD, all VK1 and nearby VK2 amateur radio operators are most welcome.
The VK1 SOTA crew has plans to activate Mt Stromlo on HF, VHF and UHF bands
celebrating 3 years of SOTA in the Nation's Capital

Sub 9 kHz Yahoo Group:-

Christmas Eve transmission from SAQ generated lots of reports

The ARRL report that the 2015 Christmas Eve transmission from SAQ, the
Alexanderson alternator station at the World Heritage site in Sweden,
elicited more than 350 reports, according to a preliminary accounting,
many of them from hams.

SAQ transmits on 17.2 kHz.

The lion's share of reports nearly 160 came from Germany. Listeners in the
US numbered five indicating they actually heard SAQ.

"The transmission appears to be our best so far," said Lars Kalland, SM 6 NM,
who distributed the report. Kjell Dahl, OH 0 KXJ, reported hearing SAQ for the
first time. "It is always a pleasure to listen to this CW melody on 17.2kHz,"
commented Manu Aft, F 5 ROL.

The vintage station began its holiday transmissions in 2006.

Dating from the 1920s, the Alexanderson alternator essentially an ac alternator
run at extremely high speed can put out 200 kW but typically is operated at
less than one-half that power level.

Once providing reliable transatlantic communication, it is now a museum piece
and only put on the air on special occasions.



Fight over 6-metre band continues in Thailand

Access by Amateur Radio to the 50 to 54 MHz band took another step with the
Royal Thai Army filing a lawsuit against the National Broadcasting and
Telecommunication Commission (NBTC) over its proposal.

Currently the Army has the band, and does not want to share it with Amateur
Radio, despite a sharing arrangement being viable.

The International Telecommunications Union has defined 50-54 MHz as the standard
band for Amateur Radio.

A new NBTC regulation followed several years of dialogue between it and the
Royal Amateur Radio Society (RAST), as well as a series of public hearings
including one attended by IARU Region 3 Director, Peter Lake ZL2AZ. RAST
reported at the IARU Region 3 conference in Bali late in 2015 that it had
successful in expanded the two-metre band, introduced the 70 cm band, and
permitted Novice access to 28 MHz.

However, the Thai military is still opposing Amateur Radio access to the 6-metre

Whether the matter goes to court is problematic, and RAST hopes the matter can
be resolved soon, so that Amateur Radio in Thailand can use that band in the

North Korea doubts emerge

Claims and a counter claim is being made about putting North Korea on the amateur
bands with government approval.

3 Z 9 DX of Poland is reported that he's planning to be active from North Korea
after a surprise short-term approval was given while in the country last year.

Doubt has now be cast hinting that P5/3Z9DX may not be telling the full story,
and whilst you read the site there is even a claim
3Z9DX was NOT in P5 when the so called QSO's last year were said to have been

While the DX community is divided by those who hope that a real activation of
this rare DXCC entity will happen, and those who join the list of doubters we
will endeavour to bring you the whole story on next weeks newscast...
Fingers crossed!

Oh and a word of warning.

throughout that story actually will transport you to advertising sites, not the
sites you would expect! So safety locks on!

(Jim Linton VK3PC)


Jan 22-26 VK4 TARC Australia Day Long Week Family Radio Camp
Girl Guides Campsite, Bluewater (vk4zz)

Feb 13 VK3 MERC HamFest 10am at Werribee Masonic Centre (wia)
Feb 28 VK2 Central Coast Field Day (vk2ztm)
Feb 28 VK3 EMDRC HamFest Great Ryrie Primary School Heathmont. (wia)

Ap-May 29-2 VK4 Clairview Gathering check Mackay ARS website. (theTARCinc)

May 27-29 VK9 WIA AGM this year on Norfolk Island (

June 3- 5 VK4 Central Highlands Social Gathering Theresa Creek dam (wia)
June 4 VK4 BARCfest Mt Gravatt Showgrounds. (vk4atc)
June 11-13 VK5 VK Foxhunting Championship & SERG convention Mt Gambier(VK5HCF)

July 19 VK3 GippsTech 2016 Churchill (

Sep 23-25 VK4 Central Highlands Amateur Radio Club AGM weekend
Lake Maraboon Holiday Village, near Emerald. (theTARCinc)
Sep-Oct 30-3 VK4 Cardwell Gathering Long Weekend, Beachcomber Motel(theTARCinc)

Nov 6 VK5 Adelaide Hills Amateur Radio Society HamFest 8am! (VK5KC)

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